Re: [glosalist] "Gene" e "ge-"

At 12:48 AM 2/20/04 +0100, Igor Wasilewski grafo:

Ankora mo qestio de plu partikula “du” e “ge-“: bene, u partikula “du” pote monstra ko klari; un akti nu dura (“u kani du gene lava”). Anti-co si pe volu uti solo u brevi expresi - “a washed dog”, qi in Esperanto pote es “lavita hundo”, sed ko-co “lavata hundo”, per qo mode Glosa face u difere?

a washed dog - lavita hundo - ge-lava kani a washed dog - lavata hundo - ge-lava kani (?)

England-lingua ne face u difere ci, qe plus Glosa ne face u difere? Alo anti-co pe pote expresi id per ali hetero mode? *** Ci na habe bi fo difere sistema te deskribe plu tem de plu akti.

   DU [= continuous tense] habe aplika ad ali tem: nu, pasa alo futura  - e ali posi tem inter plu-ci.

  -GE [gets, get, got, -ed, -en] eqa u ge-brevo partikla; qi muta un  AKTI-VERBI in u DESKRIBE-VERBI [verb --> adjective] ko u speciali nima pro  u-ci hibrid forma - intra England-lingua - de "Participle."
   Id gene ge-uti pro u forma de no-akti voka [Passive Voice] sed u-ci  forma holo-tem habe un este de habe acide, so, na pote dice ke u forma de  pa-tem es intra u no-akti voka.

Intra England-lingua plu-pe ne dice, “The had-been-washed dog ran away.” Plu Anglo-pe pote dice, “The just-washed dog rolled in the dirt.”

   Intra Glosa na pote dice, ~U pa ge-lava kani kursi apo.~
                                        [The has-been-washed dog runs off.]

   E pre Ron Clark pa decide kontra u partikla PRA [= had], intra Glosa  na sio pote dice, ~Seqe u kani pra gene lava, id pa gene ge-lava itera.~
                 [After the dog had been washed, it was washed again.]

   Mi kredi u munda es nu parato pro PRA, e u-ci verbi sio debi gene  re-uti.

   Te don a Glosa eqa oportunita, place uti  `lavata hundo` e `lavita  hundo` intra plu kompleti frasa, sed tu nece solo dona traduce in  England-lingua pro u frasa; inklude `lavata.`

Robin Gaskell pa grafo:

*** Plu Glosa partikla-de-tem [tense particles] ergo per difere mode de plu-la adi-ra [inflections] de Esperanto.

She washes the dog. Fe lavo u kani. The dog is washed by her. U kani gene ge-lavo ex fe.

She is washing the dog. Fe du lavo u kani. The dog is being washed by her. U kani du gene ge-lavo ex fe. *** Qe, u-ci exempla de un uti de ~du~ eqa sufici? Mi pote dona plu exempla de ‘du’ intra plu hetero tem, sed este ke u nu-tem exempla dice u holo histori.

Saluta,

Robin Gaskell P.S. Deka anua pre nu, plu Glosa-pe epi u proto Inter-reti, produce u Tem Tabla [Tense Table]. Si ali-pe vo skope id, mi fu re-posta id epi u nu Glosalist. R.

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