Dear Duncan, I just found this reply from you! I don’t look down upon the m= odern Manchu and their own traditional costuming and hairstyling. What I re= ally hate is almost all Chinese people forget their real tradition that was= caused by the historical Manchu since 1644. If the old Manchu did do as pe= r the ancient Mongolians’ ways of ruling our ancient Chinese by not changin= g our Han’s traditions in the Yuan Dynasty the Mongol Dynasty, I wouldn’t b= e so strongly against them the old Manchu. I think the Mongolian Dynasty wa= s much greater than the Manchu one! The Manchu era was an UGLY era in China= and has been influencing China so far, so that the whole world thinks our = traditions is as the same as the Manchu’s! The real traditions of Chinese, = Koreans and Japanese were all from the great ancient China.

Saluta! Li Zhe= nyu

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, chris duncan krisdunncan@... wrote= :

know a little bit about a lot of languages, but very few am i any goo= d at.you should know that in london my native city there are large number= s of people who come from all over the world and when i say large i mean = two or three milion(yes that many) and so i am constantly hearing other l= anguages than english.i respect other peoples vews of theis own history s= o i will not take up the point you make about the manchu people, but as y= ou must know if you read english language publications ,the chinese comun= ist party’s veiw of the relations between the han people and other chines= e nations is not shared by those living outside china.like you i also agr= ee that mondlango is distorted by out of place english word borrowings ,b= ut one thing though, apart from sistem frater the conlang invented by a v= ietnamese, it is one of the few non western ones.i am fully aware of what= we call in the west”the great firewall of china” so I am wondering how m= uch access you have to u tube.will explain when I receive your reply. sal= uta.c.d,

On 12 August 2010 02:57, Zhenyu lizhenyu_god@... wrote:

=

Dear Chris, You’re so great of having learned the Chinese m= inority national language. At the beginning I guessed the “daiching” mu= st be “Daqing”, because “Daiching” sounds like Korean or Cantonese, and= “DAI” sounds like Japanese “Great, big”, “Ching” like “Qing”. The rest= of the words couldn’t be understood since I didn’t learn the language.=

I’m a pure Han people, the Chinese majority nation. In my personal= point of view, I have been hating the ancient Manchu because they forc= ed to change our Han’s 5 thousand year’s tradition of costuming and hai= r styling that have only been being kept by Koreans and Japanese (as yo= u know, Japanese and Koreans’ traditional costumes and hair style were = originally from our Han’s.) . Our Han’s image got as UGLY as Manchu by = them since 1644 the Great Ming Dynasty the last Han’s dynasty was overt= hrown. So far, our traditional and national image is recognised as the = Manchu’s by the world, which has always been hated and against by me an= d those Hans who still remmeber what they were like 366 years ago.

= Back to the topic about languages, how many languages have you learned.= For me, I learned English, and some French, Spanish, German, Italian, = Russian, Japanese and Korean. Russian is quite hard to remember those m= any forms for each word so that I don’t like it. I hate complication. S= ince 2004, I met Esperanto, then Mondlango and Glosa. Glosa is the easi= est one, I love to study much on it.

Saluta! Li Zhenyu

=

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com <glosalist%40yahoogroups.com>, chr= is duncan <krisdunncan@> wrote:

just seeing whether or not = you had any manchu heritage as you live in beijing, got the sentence = wrong though,perhaps should have written,” si daiching gurun i gisun = be tachimbio? zher shi manyu…translates as… ni xuexi da qingguo y= u ma.sorry for the confusion here.

On 10 August 2010 05:01, Zhe= nyu <lizhenyu_god@> wrote:

(si tachimbe daici= ng gurun be gisun ,si manju gisun be manjurame ochi?) I did= n’t understand. Please explain for me!

— In glosa= list@yahoogroups.com <glosalist%40yahoogroups.com><glosalist% 40yahoogr= oups.com>, chris duncan <krisdunncan@> wrote:

w= ode hanyu bu hen hao,wo huishuo yidian: wo bu qu-gou beijing he wo bu = qu-guo zhongghua, haishi wo bu dasuan qu zai zhongguo.wo shi” laow= ai” ren.wo 56 sui.(si tachimbe daicing gurun be gisun ,si manju g= isun be manjurame ochi?) must end this as it is not fair to other= glosalists who cannot read chinese pinyin.but thanks anyway = for your kind greetings : On 6 August 2010 14:00, Zhenyu <liz= henyu_god@> wrote:

Nihao! Xin= ghui Chris! Wo hen gaoxing renshi ni! Nide hanyu hen hao! Ni la= i-guo Beijing ma? Wo xiwang ni hui lai Beijing!Wode MSN: li= zhenyu_god@, qing jia wo ba! Ni duo da? Wo 32 sui, wo sheng= ri shi 1977nian 12yue 31ri. Zhen gaoxing ni hui Han= yu! Ruguo ni lai Beijing, qing gaosu wo! Wo xiang jian ni!

= I think Esperanto is the most difficult auxlang in the world, so I = hardly use it for communication. Contrarily, Glosa is t= he easiest, some things of it were thought problema= tic by some people. I really like Glosa’s words source whic= h is truly international and word making which is truly easy li= ke Chinese one. We should have a carefull study on it, in order= to find its brilliance.

Mi= volu u bibli =3D I want a book. & I want the book.

= GRAMMATICALLY, the two English sentences couldn’t mean the same becous= e of the differences of “a” and “the”. But REALISTICALL= Y they do. Because in fact even though you were tol= d “THE” here means a certain one, but you still don’t know = “WHICH” one “THE” means by no more descriptive and detailed inf= o added before “book”! So in Glosa, there’s only U(N), no “LE(T= HE)”. I hope Glosalists should do more explanation = on the confusions some people pointed out, in order to = let them come back!

Saluta!

Li Zhenyu

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com <glosal= ist%40yahoogroups.com><glosalist% 40yahoogroups.com><glosalist%

= 40yahoogroups.com>, chris

duncan <krisdunncan@> wrote:

xinghui zhenyou!! :wo shi yinguo ren:wo zhu zai lo= ndon:wo bu shi xuesheng: wo dagong…. danshi…w= o xihuan xueshi yuyan: ni zai daxue xueshi le? sorr= y glosa list people for this language mix, but i wanted to sh= ow that glosa people are not like esperantists, j= ust another bunch of euro_clones ,and, oh yes, pl= ease exuse my non use of glosa. I feel realy bad posting here = in english c.d.

On 5 A= ugust 2010 13:47, Zhenyu <lizhenyu_god@> wrote:

=

Hello, our new friend, Chris,

Nihao! Where are you from? I’m glad to do as you suggested. =

Ave a panto Glosa-pe!

(NG) Ave a pan Glosa-pe!

= Ta longi tem mi ne pa grafo ci! U-la ne semani mi pa dona ab Glosa! = Kontra-co, mi panto-tem lekto plu PGN e stude = Glosa! Mi ankora doxo; Glosa es u maxi = boni lingua de ali lingua inklude plu natura- e ge-face=

• lingua in munda (exklude

= Cina-lingua HAHA, qi es u maxi sofi doci-pe de Lexi-face pro ali = lingua)! (NG) Ta longi tem mi ne pa grafo ci! Un-= la ne semani mi pa dona ab Glosa! Kontra-co= , mi panto-tem lekto plu-le PGN e stude Glosa! Mi ankora do= xo; Glosa es (le) maxi boni = lingua da ali lingua inklude plu natura- e ge-face- lingua in = munda (exklude Cina-lingua HAHA, qi es (le)= maxi sofi doci-pe pri Lexi-face pro ali lingua= )!

Mi panto-tem sti kredi m= i;u nu-Glosa es logika e id plura posi konfusi es = no-nece ge-turba de(worried about). Sed na debi klari dice plu = lexi qi habe plu kon= fusi funktio homo an/an-, fe/fe-, etc., e more solo uti u mode = de “un hedo de

= an…(The happiness of his)”, e kura pensi de si na pote minus-turb= a uti “an hedo…(he happilly/ = his happiness)” qi es in u posi konfusi mode. (NG)Mi pa= nto-tem sti kredi mi;le nu-Glosa es logika e id plura posi = konfusi es no-nece ge-turba pri(worried abo= ut). Sed na debi klari dice plu lexi qi habe plu = konfusi funktio homo an/an-, fe/fe-, etc., e more solo uti le=

mode

de

“Le

hedo de

an…(The happiness of his)”, e kura pensi pri si na pote minus-t= urba uti “an un hedo…(his happiness)” qi es i= n un posi konfusi mode.

Mi = doxo LFN ne es ma boni de Glosa qi plus tena poli konfusi e kom= plexi! E Mondlango habe gramatika exakti, sed mi ne amo id = uti de “de” ge-uti homo “by(passive voi= ce)” e “from”. E id “Krom(besides)” e “Kromo(color)” habe u= n iso radi qi ne es boni! (= NG)Mi doxo LFN ne es ma boni da Glosa qi plus tena poli konfusi e = komplexi! E Mondlango habe un gramatika exakti, = sed mi ne amo id un uti de “de” ge-uti homo=

“by(passive voice)” e “from”. E id un “Krom(besides)” e un=

“Kromo(color)”

habe le iso

= radi qi ne es boni!

Mi Neoglos= a habe klu ma exakti-ra, sed qi pa proto existe fo tardi! U = nu-Glosa pa existe ma pre-kron de id! = (NG)Mi un Neoglosa habe klu ma exakti-ra, sed qi pa proto exist= e fo tardi! Le nu-Glosa pa exis= te ma pre-kron da id!

Panto= munda-pe stude e uti Englangda-lingua, nuli-pe kura de Ge-= face-lingua. Sed no-poli pe pote uti Englanda-lingua boni e= poli pe fu panto-tem es tem sufere = stude stato. No-posi maxi nume Munda-pe pote manu English boni! = English es homo u minus-baso = poro(a bottomless whole)! Mega mero munda-pe bio pro auto = desira, ne pro u maxi-boni ideali! So mu fu dura= gresi ad (u) via a morta de stude English! = Mali fortuna, un UN ne pa funktio boni de u maxi-boni mode= de Interkomunika pro munda-pe! = (NG)Panto munda-pe stude e uti Englangda-lingua, nuli-pe kura = pri Ge-face-lingua. Sed non-poli pe pote ut= i Englanda-lingua (in) boni e poli pe fu panto-tem es = tem sufere stude stato. Non-posi maxi nume M= unda-pe pote manu English (in) boni! English es hom= o un minus-baso poro(a bottomless whole)! Mega mero munda-p= e bio pro auto desira, ne pro un = maxi-boni ideali! So mu fu dura gresi epi (le) via ad morta de st= ude English! Mali fortuna, le UN ne pa funk= tio (in) boni pri le maxi-boni mode de Interkomunika pro =

munda-pe! Qo-mode na debi akt= i???

Saluta!

= Li Zhenyu

— In glosalist@…= m <glosalist%40yahoogroups.com><glosalist% 40yahoogroups.com><glosalist= % 40yahoogroups.com><glosalist%

40yahoogroups.c= om>, chris

duncan <krisdunncan@> wrote:

hello zhenyou! ni hau ma ?could you take a pas= sage of glosa text and translate it into neog= losa so that we can all see the two languages side = by and compare them one with each other. xie = xie ni. zaijian c.d.

On 2 August 20= 10 12:38, Zhenyu <lizhenyu_god@> wrote:

=

Ave a panto Glosa-pe!

Ta longi tem mi ne pa grafo ci! U-la ne semani mi pa dona ab = Glosa! Kontra-co, mi panto-tem lekto plu PGN e = stude Glosa! Mi ankora doxo; Glosa = es u maxi boni lingua de ali lingua inklude plu natura- e = ge-face- lingua in munda (exlude Cin= a-lingua HAHA, qi es u maxi sofi doci-pe de Lexi-face = pro ali lingua)!

= Mi panto-tem sti kredi mi;u nu-Glosa es logika e id plura = posi konfusi es no-nece ge-= turba de(worried about). Sed na debi klari dice plu lexi = qi habe plu konfusi funtio homo a= n/an-, fe/fe-, etc.. e more solo uti u mode de = “un hedo de an…(The happiness of his)”, e kura pe= nsi de si na pote minus-turba u= ti “an hedo…(he happilly/ his happiness)” qi es in u posi = konfusi mode.

Mi d= oxo LFN ne es ma boni de Glosa qi plus tena poli konfusi e = komplexi! E Mondlango habe gramatika exakti, sed mi= ne amo id uti de “de” ge-uti homo = “by(passive voice)” e “from”. E id “Krom(besides)” e “K= romo(color)” habe un iso radi qi ne es = boni!

Mi Neoglosa habe klu ma exakt= i-ra, sed qi pa proto existe fo tardi! U = nu-Glosa pa existe ma pre-kron de id!

= Panto munda-pe stude e uti Englangda-lingua, nuli-pe kura = de Ge-face-lingua. Sed no-poli pe pote uti Englanda-lin= gua boni e poli pe fu = panto-tem es tem sufere stude stato. No-posi maxi nume Munda-pe = pote manu English boni! Eng= lish es homo u minus-baso poro(a bottomless whole)! = Maxi munda-pe bio pro mu desira, ne pro u maxi= -boni ideali! So mu fu dura gresi u = via a morta de stude English! Mali fortuna, un UN ne pa fu= ntio boni de u maxi= -boni mode de Interkomunika pro munda-pe!

= Qo-mode na debi akti???

Salu= ta!

Li Zhenyu

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