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Re: Mi gene sko de Glosa..
stefichjo ("stefichjo" <sts@...>) on January 15, 2006
Thank you very much, Robin, for answering. I’m going to read the rest of yo= ur answer, too, soon.
Regards, Stephan
— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, = Robin Fairbridge Gaskell drought-breaker@p... wrote: ***Simi, na pote evi= ta uti ~plu~ intra Glosa, si na logi ke u koncepa habe plurali semani. Glos= a pa gene ge-designe iso u lingua qi pote habe bio; ne eqa u lingua ko plu = strikti regula.
That’s why I thought that different orthographies like =84= qu” are possible.
In “u bibli penta”, que “bibli” es u adjektivo e “penta= “ es u substantivo? Que speci de verba es “u” in glossa? Mi ne puta; id es=
un adjektivo. *** U ne eqa “the”. Id habe u funktio de indika u proto de = u minor grega; qi fini ko u Nomina-verbi: id eqa u signe.
That’s cool. (So= it’s like the ending =84-o” in Esperanto, which indicates the end of a nou= n(-phrase).)
***~U penta bibli~ =3D”the fifth book”. ~U bibli penta~ stres= i umo bibli: id es u penta bibli de u seri. Id eqa u komposito Nomina; in q= i u ~penta~ habe ma signifi de u ~bibli~: posi id sio es ~Bibli Penta~.
So= rry, maybe I didn’t understand. If I get it right then a noun-phrase ends w= ith the noun and begins with adjectives, right? In this case I would think= that =84u penta bibli” is =84fifth book”, and =84u bibli penta” is =84book= five”, which seems to be =84five books”.
***Place ne konfusi u lexi de Gl= osa ko u-la de England-lingua. Plu verbi de Glosa ne gene ge-marka iso Nomi= na-verbi, Akti-verbi alo Deskribe-verbi pre u tem de mu uti intra u frasa. =
(Please do not confuse Glosa words with those of English. Glosa words don’= t get marked as nouns, verbs or adjectives until they are used in a sentenc= e.) =96 right?
I think I have already understood that. Why do you emphathi= se? What was I still / again confusing?
***Mi deskribe de Glosa gramatika = es Sintaxi Ge-basi Gramatika. (My description of Glosa grammar is syntax ba= sed grammar.) =96 Why do you use majuscles, btw? And what kind of phrase is= =84sintaxi ge-basi gramatika”? It seems to English-like.
***Iso Ron Clark= pa dice: intra Glosa u verbi pote funkti, ko-in logika, iso ali mero de di= ce. (Like Ron Clark said: in Glosa a word may function, (?) logical, like a= nother (?).)
Sorry, I didn’t understand. Could you please translate?
***I= ntra Glosa un akuto difere inter plu verbi; qi deskribe plu Akti-verbi e pl= u Nomina-verbi, nuli existe. U minor-grega [Eng. phrase] habe u funktio, e = u deskribe verbi habe loka pre u substanti verbi. U litera de plu verbi ne = muta ko id difere funktio.
This I undertand.
EG ~U celero moti vagona pa = passa an.~ (a/the fast move car did pass him) “A quickly moving car passed = him.”
Also: =84a fast-motion-car passed him.”
~U celero bola pa kausa un = andra te kade.~ (a/the fast ball did cause the man {in order} to fall) “A f= ast ball caused the man to fall.”
~U navi pa celero moti longi u ripa iso = u venti pa kresce.~ [the boat did fast move along the river as the wind did= grow] “The boat quickly moved along the river as the wind grew.”
What’s n= ew here? Btw, if =84u” is a noun-phrase marker, =84pa” is a verb-phrase mar= ker. Also prepositions like =84longi” are noun-phrase markers, aren’t they?=
So this sentence should be valid, too: =84u navi pa celero moti longi ripa= iso (u?) venti pa kresce.” =96 right?
***Mi memo Ron deskribe plu-tali ve= rbi iso ~Muta-verbi~. Mu pa muta u semani de alo un akti alo u ra.
You mea= n =84celero”? =84Celero” is a muta-verbi? But couldn’t it be a verb, too?
= =84u bola pa celero.” =84the ball was fast.” (*=84the ball fasted.”)
Quo-= mode mu elekti u fini vokali de u glosa verba? putare -> puta amare, ego = amo -> amo *** Plu verbi bibli de plu major moderno lingua pa es un origi i= ndika. Po u-la, Ron pa decide de lase plu Glosa-pe selekti u fini vokale; q= i, a mu, sembla u maxi gru. Seqe, u Glosa 6000 verbi bibli gene publika ko = plu maxi prefere finali vokali.
So it’s just personal taste?
***Plu labia= de plu dice-pe pa habe signifi ko plu-ci decide.
This I don’d understand,= sorry. Could you please translate?
Quo-ka mu ne dice “ama” vice “amo”? M= i ne logi id.
Que mu pote grafo “pato do” vice “pato-do”? Que mu signifi = homo ra? Que mu habe u homo dice mode? *** ~pato do~ =3D “sick house” ~pat= o-do~ es u komposito verbi ..=3D “place of/for sickness”
Domi =3D house (b= uilding) -do es u brevi form de domi.
I was convinced that there was a gra= mmatical distinction between short and long forms as well. What’s the diffe= rence between a noun-phrase and an aggregated noun then?
“pato-pe” signif= i “patient”, sed plus-co “ill person”, que? *** Glosa eqa u ‘Meta-lingua’ g= e designa pro un uti de holo-pe. I sio pote es u literari lingua, sed u-ci = uti nece habe mega ma verbi.
***U ~pato-pe~, in u komposito forma, usuali = es intra u pato-do.
***U ~pato persona~ es u persona; qi habe pato.
Is th= ere a different stress between =84pato-pe” and =84pato pe”? I guess it’s = =84pat_o_-pe” and =84p_a_to p_e_”.
Mi puta; mi sio amo “game-matri” vice = “gina-matri”. Singu matri es u gina, que? *** Intra plura kultura il es fo= signifi koncerne plu parenta-parenta: U gina-matri es u matri de u gina qi= habe marita. Un andra-matri es u matri de un andra; qi habe marita. U komp= leti faski de plu parenta-parenta gene kompleti ko u gina-patri e un andra-= patri.
Sorry, I didn’t understand once again. A =84gina-matri” is a mother= of a woman that married? But a =84gina-matri” is a mother-in-law, I though= t?
Quo-ra es hetero “plu audi-pe” e “plu skopo-pe”? Ambi es in England-
lingua “audience”, que? *** Eng.:viewers, listeners. ~Audi-pe~ =3D “audienc= e”; “listeners” ~Skopo-pe~ =3D
'audience'
; “viewers”; “watchers”
Mi ne = logi; mu grafo “an-piski” vice “andro piski”. “an” es u /pronoun/ e u /suf= fix/, sed mi puta; id ne es /prefix/. Seque-co mu debe dice “andro piski” = vice “an-piski”. Mi solo puta id.
Quo-speci de verba es “ne”, “pa” e “fu= “? *** ~ne, no-, nuli~ =3D “no (not), un-, nothing” … negativi partikla. =
~pa, fu, du, nu~ =3D “did, will (shall), continues, now” … tem partikla.=
andro —> an- femina —> fe- ; an =3D he,him, his; fe =3D she,her hers =
man he- female she-
I understand=85
“Sti id pende a mura” debe es “Pen= de id a mura”, que? (Vide pagina mo- bi.)
[Sorry , can’t reconstruct t=
his in my mind. Don’t have the book.]
“viagia-bo” es “travel agency” vice= “travel agent”, que? (Vide pagina mo-mo.) *** Viagia-bo-pe =3D (travel sh= op person) travel agent.
The stress falls on the last vowel before the l= ast consonant, right? I think that “s” is excluded from that rule (like in= Interlingua and Spanish), otherwise it would be “an=E0s”, “skiur=F9s”, “k= an=ECs” and so on. Is this correct? Ne e ya: u stresi kade epi u pen-ultim= a vokali, si u verbi habe ma de mo vokali.
Quo-ka u nima de u-ci lingua e= s “Glosa” (vice “Lingua”)? *** Si u verbi,
lingua
ne pa gene ge-uti poli = tem pre nu, u-ci nomina posi sio gene ge-uti. U ~Glosa~ de Clark veni ex un= “Interglossa” de Hogben.
Que “bombus” e “apis” es u homo ra? *** Mo de u= surpris pro mi pa es de detekti un excesi de plu sinonima intra Glosa.
A = ha.
Pagina 19: Lekto “tu pa telefono a quo-pe?” sed “quo-ka tu pa telefo= no an?” Quo-ka “a quo-pe” vice solo “quo-pe” e quo-ka solo “an” vice “a(d?= ) an”? ** Running out of steam: this one is too mixed for me: ~quo~ became= ~qo~ before the 1992 dictionary came out. Agreed ~telephono ad an~ is pure= r Glosa. I would say there is a pure, perfectly syntactically correct form = of Glosa which is *unelided, from which briefer forms can be derived, and = will be spoken.
OK=85 And sorry, I used =84qu” instead of =84q” all mail t= hrough.
Quo-ka mu grafo “u-ci avi kanta kali” vice “u-ci avi kali kanta”?= Que mu es u homo ra? *** when I did some Linguistic research, I discovere= d that the pure form of Glosa was “Head Final”. This means that the major s= ubstantive word in a phrase is last, and the supplementary words come befor= e it in increasing order of significance. “beautifully sings” is Head Final= structure.
OK!
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