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Xavier Abadia ("Xavier Abadia" <xabadiar@...>) on May 13, 2012

Dear localhosed.

Your first question is quite easy (What is the theory or = method of the Longman dictionary?) Lexicographers can use a limited number = of essential words to express all the definitions of a diccionary. So they = sometimes do. Logman managed to use only 2200, and they published the list = online.

The second question is a bit harder. (Which words have you found t= hat would be important for adding to the GID?) I would need some hours to e= xamine this. On the other hand, I have given in a previous message a list o= f basic words which are among the 5000 most frequently-used words in Americ= an English:

absence, acceptable, activity, addition, adolescent, aircraft,= announcement, beauty, commander, creation, cristal, discourage, eastern, e= mployment, establishment, expertise, formation, killer, lover, married, mul= tiple, oversee, physician, proposition, reflection, rhetoric, seventh, shut= tle, singer, sixth, stranger, thinking.


— In glosalist@yahoo=, Localhosed <localhosed@…> wrote:

xavi wrote :

“Hi loca= lhosed, thanks for your suggestions. You are right, many of those “commo= n” words I mentioned are not so common. And *cristal was an error.


Anyway, I think lexicographers need to use both a frequency approach (li= ke Davis & Gardner’s frequency list of 5000 words) and a theoretical = approach (like the “Longman Defining Vocabulary” of 2200 essential words:= ).

With the latter we get some essential words which may be not very freq= uent. Greetings. Xavi.”

What is the theory or method of the Lon= gman dictionary? Which words have you found that would be important for a= dding to the GID? I tend to think of Mega GID as a separate reference for= special purposes. A short phrase could be possible for aircraft. I need= to think about it.

For Centra, I would consider many synonyms and nea= r synonyms first before adding a word. I am still learning Glosa, so I = don’t have a very good guess about what ideas are hard to express clearly= or in less than 4 words (in the form of : substantive substantive de su= bstantive - which can be much longer than a single word if used often eno= ugh. I looked a little in the Longman defining dictionary PDF that you li= nked, and it may be that there are some useful things that could be adde= d from it, but I recognize lots of words from it that aren’t necessary.= These come in pairs in english, that Glosa is supposed to treat as a sin= gle word. Glosa is supposed to use syntax to make meaning clearer. For ex= ample govern with goverment, mess/messy, imagination/imaginary. I can re= cognize most words from the pdf file you linked in Centra. So far I think= Centra is a particularly well organized group of ideas. Some ideas see= m ‘ambiguous’ more than others, but I haven’t been too terribly confused = with Glosa so far. Short sentences help. Semicolons help. Context helps. = So does familiarity with Glosa.

I notice ideas like peti/kade/vola. Pe= ti includes fall and fly. Vola does not include fall, but includes fly. K= ade only includes fall, but no other meanings from the other two. But I t= hink the reason for overlap may be because the Glosa meanings need to fit= with so many other languages also. Other languages may handle “fall” dif= ferently. So I think that it could be potentially destructive to add too = many words to Centra, because if the meanings are too specific, they coul= d conflict with the general nature of Glosa words. So that : the words wo= uld no longer be very general, and the syntax that is supposed to handle = creating specific meaning from general meanings could be disrupted.

= De “crystal”… info de ge-libe origi nu expliki : http://www.etymonline.= com/index.php?term=3Dcrystal

Coincidentally it lists cristal as the ol= d english and old french spellings. But, we are interested in pseudo (ge-= muta) greek and latin roots, and Mega GID already has some probably from = these roots - kristal, kristali This probably matches with the use in t= he english word “cryogenics” . (after a fashion, not meaning crystal here= , but instead - frozen) Mi pote face u frase ko Glosa; de id. “kristal= i minerali / kristali geo-ma / krista minerali / krista geo-ma / geli min= erali / geli geo-ma / geli lito / geli petro “ Plu-ci habe .. historical = accuracy (maybe?), semi-OK ‘intuitive’ meaning accuracy but not good sci= entific accuracy. I like geli petro among those choices. Mi amo ‘geli pet= ro’ inter plu-la ge-elekti verba.

So I want to think some more on it. = What do you think about crystal (or anyone)?

Nu, mi menta habe MEG= A fatiga.

Saluta, Vale. (verba ‘mega’ es kali; mi doxo.)

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