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Re: Glosa 1000
Xavier Abadia ("Xavier Abadia" <xabadiar@...>) on October 5, 2011
Hi, Ian. I’m not so sure that the latest variant of a Glosa word works bett= er than the oldest variant. I’ve seen that the oldest variants of Glosa may= be often predicted according to its etymology, in the same way as the word= s of Interglossa, because the morphologic arrangement of Interglossa was ma= inly preserved: from Latin =96a =96ae, =96us =96i, =96um =96i, =96is =96is,= words were taken with endings =96a, =96i, =96a, =96i, respectively. Glosa = was born as just an orthographical reform of Interglossa, as far as I know.=
So, I like the original words of Glosa not because they are the original a= nd “sacrosanct” variants, but because they seem to me more predictable and = simple than the latest variants. And this make them more friendly to me.
O= nce I’ve said this, I now repeat that I would accept the fact that most aut= hors of GID have given preference to the latest variants, they might have g= ood reasons I ignore. I only reject the unfair method of marking an “X” to = the oldest variants as if they were completely obsolete and useless. Perhap= s a fairer method would be to let the oldest variants out of the “Centra Gl= osa” list, while letting them stay at the “Mega Glosa” list with no kind of= negative mark.
— In email@example.com, Ian Niles= <ian_niles@…> wrote:
Hi Xavi, From what I’ve seen, the words= marked with an “X” are all variants of words that are allowed (at least in= mega Glosa). As I understand it, some variants of essentially the same wo= rd were included in some Glosa lists, and other variants of the same word w= ere included in other Glosa lists. When the various lists were combined in= to a single dictionary (viz. the GID), obviously one variant had to be sele= cted as the official version of the word and the others had to be deprecate= d. I think you would agree that having more than one variant of the same w= ord for many words in a language that is proposed as an international auxil= iary language defeats the purpose of having an international auxiliary lang= uage. Another point that should be made, I think, is that there shou= ldn’t be anything sacrosanct about the first version of an artificial langu= age. In fact, I think the opposite is true. Artificial languages get test= ed in practice, just like software and any other engineering aritifact. Th= e parts that work well are retained. The parts that don’t work well or don= ‘t work at all should be rejected or modified. As Jespersen pointed out, i= n the end an international auxiliary language rests solely on science and r= eason. -Ian To: firstname.lastname@example.org From: xabadiar@… Date: W= ed, 5 Oct 2011 15:29:18 +0000 Subject: [glosalist] Re: Glosa 1000
Ave, karo Myalee,
It seems obvious = to me that no-one should change the original Glosa words in favour of subst= itutes supposedly better. I wonder why they had to substitute “ami” against= “amika”, “apis” against “api”, etc. But my dear friend, they actually CAN = do it, they have ALREADY done it, by giving an “X” mark to many words that = “should be avoided”, even to essential words from any “Glosa-1000 list”. (G= ID, page 4). In my opinion, the GID might be re-organized: the “Glosa Centr= a” list should be the only place where the X-marked words might be excluded= . And the “Glosa Mega” list should be the integral list with both the origi= nal words and the recent and preferred words. No need to mark words that “s= hould be avoided”. The words outside the “Glosa Centra” list would be avoid= ed “de facto”; the words inside the “Glosa Centra” would be preferred “de f= acto”.
Finally, an “English-Glosa Centra” list is in my opinion = far more necessary than an “English-Glosa Mega” list.
Saluta, Xa= vi.
— In email@example.com, “myaleee n” <myaleee@> wro= te:
ave karo Abadia!
- glosa is very great and unique
2- but wendy and Ron incompletely= made diction.: latin and greek words for each word!!
3- NO-ONE c= an change x-sign word or other defects!
4- my opinion: use gid(bi= g), nobody will blame you, but in beginning
of article tell strang= e words : bato=3D deep etc
5- esperanto, ido, lfn , glosa all hav= e defects unchangeable!!!We must tolerate them or leave the language :-( =
6- I made excellent version of glosa> glisa, using only latin word= s, removing defects and I gladly welcome suggestions.
— In firstname.lastname@example.org, “Xavier Abadia” =
Ave, Gary Miller e pan-pe.
= Vi ski; u diktionaria “GID” habe u signi “X” pro plu verba qi “debi gen= e evita” (“should be avoided”, p. 4). Speci: amika, api, asini, et cetera. =
Mi amo Interglossa, so mi prefere plu Glosa verba qi es homo plu= Interglosa verba, so: amika, api, asini, vice: ami, apis, asinus.
= Qo-ka plu-ci verba “debi gene evita”? GID no explika id…
U-= ci qestio es speciali dificile, ka plu verba freqe habe u signi “1” e u sig= ni “X” iso-tem! (Plu verba ko signi “1” apare in uno ex oligo Glosa-1000-li= sta).
Qo-pe pa decide; plu-ci verba debi gene evita? Qo-ka? Qe R= onald Clark e Wendy Ashby pa akorda?
Mi es ge-konfusi de GID.
— In glosalist@= yahoogroups.com, Gary Miller <gmillernd@> wrote:
Plu verba ko mikro numera 1 in GID pa es = origi “Glosa 1000.” Plu
Glosa krea-pe, cefa nu Wendy Ashby, d= u face ma sistema u-ci verba-fa;
seqe-co nu es u neo nomina “C= entra Glosa” e u sema ++. U turba pa es;
Glosa 1000 pa faktu = habe ma poli de 1000 verba, cefa kausa plu itera
de Latino e H= elena verba in id; anti-co id veri nece u ma boni
sistema. “C= entra Glosa” nu habe proxi 1300 verba– faktu, u ma mikro
qant= ita de origi Glosa 1000. (Un homi-face lingua Lojban plus habe
= proxi 1300 verba.)
U bibli 18 GRADU AD EURO-GL= OSA dice; “Na itera nece sti importa; Glosa
1000 facili pote e= rgo de ali speci de tema, klude plu forti tekno
tema, posi ko = no-freqe uti de Mega Glosa.” Mi pa detekti sura veri
u-ci fra= se, tem uti Centra Glosa.
Plus mi pa gene hedo d= e tu pedi-bola kanta. Anti-co in Nord Dakota na
universita sp= orta grega es “plu Bisona.”
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