Hi Xavi, I agree that it would be preferable if there were a systemat= ic way of deriving Glosa words from Latin/Greek. From what I understand, t= he authors of Glosa tried to derive Glosa words from the English cognates r= ather than directly from the classical roots. There are some notes on Glos= a word derivation on the Glosa web site that you might find interesting: h= ttp://www.glosa.org/gid/gwds.htm. -Ian To: glosalist@yahoogroups.com From:= xabadiar@… Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:36:41 +0000 Subject: [glosalis= t] Re: Glosa 1000

  Hi, = Ian.

I’m not so sure that the latest variant of a Glosa word works better = than the oldest variant. I’ve seen that the oldest variants of Glosa may be= often predicted according to its etymology, in the same way as the words o= f Interglossa, because the morphologic arrangement of Interglossa was mainl= y preserved: from Latin =96a =96ae, =96us =96i, =96um =96i, =96is =96is, wo= rds were taken with endings =96a, =96i, =96a, =96i, respectively. Glosa was= born as just an orthographical reform of Interglossa, as far as I know.

S= o, I like the original words of Glosa not because they are the original and= “sacrosanct” variants, but because they seem to me more predictable and si= mple than the latest variants. And this make them more friendly to me.

O= nce I’ve said this, I now repeat that I would accept the fact that most aut= hors of GID have given preference to the latest variants, they might have g= ood reasons I ignore. I only reject the unfair method of marking an “X” to = the oldest variants as if they were completely obsolete and useless. Perhap= s a fairer method would be to let the oldest variants out of the “Centra Gl= osa” list, while letting them stay at the “Mega Glosa” list with no kind of= negative mark.

Saluta, Xavi.

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Ian N= iles <ian_niles@…> wrote:

Hi Xavi, From what I’ve seen, th= e words marked with an “X” are all variants of words that are allowed (at l= east in mega Glosa). As I understand it, some variants of essentially the = same word were included in some Glosa lists, and other variants of the same= word were included in other Glosa lists. When the various lists were comb= ined into a single dictionary (viz. the GID), obviously one variant had to = be selected as the official version of the word and the others had to be de= precated. I think you would agree that having more than one variant of the= same word for many words in a language that is proposed as an internationa= l auxiliary language defeats the purpose of having an international auxilia= ry language. Another point that should be made, I think, is that the= re shouldn’t be anything sacrosanct about the first version of an artificia= l language. In fact, I think the opposite is true. Artificial languages g= et tested in practice, just like software and any other engineering aritifa= ct. The parts that work well are retained. The parts that don’t work well= or don’t work at all should be rejected or modified. As Jespersen pointed= out, in the end an international auxiliary language rests solely on scienc= e and reason. -Ian

To: glosalist@yahoogroups.com

From: xabadiar@…

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:29:18 +0000

Subject: [glosalist] Re: Glosa 1= 000

=

  Ave, k= aro Myalee,

It seems obvious to me that no-one should change= the original Glosa words in favour of substitutes supposedly better. I won= der why they had to substitute “ami” against “amika”, “apis” against “api”,= etc. But my dear friend, they actually CAN do it, they have ALREADY done i= t, by giving an “X” mark to many words that “should be avoided”, even to es= sential words from any “Glosa-1000 list”. (GID, page 4). In my opinion, the= GID might be re-organized: the “Glosa Centra” list should be the only plac= e where the X-marked words might be excluded. And the “Glosa Mega” list sho= uld be the integral list with both the original words and the recent and pr= eferred words. No need to mark words that “should be avoided”. The words ou= tside the “Glosa Centra” list would be avoided “de facto”; the words inside= the “Glosa Centra” would be preferred “de facto”.

Finally, = an “English-Glosa Centra” list is in my opinion far more necessary than an = “English-Glosa Mega” list.

Saluta, Xavi.

— = In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, “myaleee n” <myaleee@> wrote:

=

ave karo Abadia!

saluta

1- glosa i= s very great and unique

2- but wendy and Ron incompletely made d= iction.: latin and greek words for each word!!

3- NO-ONE can ch= ange x-sign word or other defects!

4- my opinion: use gid(big),= nobody will blame you, but in beginning

of article tell strange= words : bato=3D deep etc

5- esperanto, ido, lfn , glosa all ha= ve defects unchangeable!!!We must tolerate them or leave the language :-(

=

6- I made excellent version of glosa> glisa, using only latin w= ords, removing defects and I gladly welcome suggestions.

=

saluta

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, “Xavi= er Abadia” <xabadiar@> wrote:

Ave, Gary Miller e = pan-pe.

Vi ski; u diktionaria “GID” habe u signi “X” pro plu v= erba qi “debi gene evita” (“should be avoided”, p. 4). Speci: amika, api, a= sini, et cetera.

Mi amo Interglossa, so mi prefere plu Glosa v= erba qi es homo plu Interglosa verba, so: amika, api, asini, vice: ami, api= s, asinus.

Qo-ka plu-ci verba “debi gene evita”? GID no explik= a id…

U-ci qestio es speciali dificile, ka plu verba freqe h= abe u signi “1” e u signi “X” iso-tem! (Plu verba ko signi “1” apare in uno= ex oligo Glosa-1000-lista).

Qo-pe pa decide; plu-ci verba deb= i gene evita? Qo-ka? Qe Ronald Clark e Wendy Ashby pa akorda?

= Mi es ge-konfusi de GID.

Saluta, Xavi.

=

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Gary Miller <gmillernd@= wrote:

Xavi–

= Plu verba ko mikro numera 1 in GID pa es origi “Glosa 1000.” Plu

=

Glosa krea-pe, cefa nu Wendy Ashby, du face ma sistema u-ci verba-f= a;

seqe-co nu es u neo nomina “Centra Glosa” e u sema ++. U= turba pa es;

Glosa 1000 pa faktu habe ma poli de 1000 verba= , cefa kausa plu itera

de Latino e Helena verba in id; anti-= co id veri nece u ma boni

sistema. “Centra Glosa” nu habe p= roxi 1300 verba– faktu, u ma mikro

qantita de origi Glosa 1=

1. (Un homi-face lingua Lojban plus habe

proxi 1300 verba= .)

U bibli 18 GRADU AD EURO-GLOSA dice; “Na = itera nece sti importa; Glosa

1000 facili pote ergo de ali s= peci de tema, klude plu forti tekno

tema, posi ko no-freqe u= ti de Mega Glosa.” Mi pa detekti sura veri

u-ci frase, tem = uti Centra Glosa.

Plus mi pa gene hedo de tu= pedi-bola kanta. Anti-co in Nord Dakota na

universita spor= ta grega es “plu Bisona.”

Saluta,

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/\ Gary

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