RE: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 13: u formika e u troxalis

Hi Myaleee,

  I agree with you that one important use of "sti" is to=  mark transitivity, but there seem to be other important uses as well.  Con= sider, for example, the following sentences with "sti" in Gary's "Ciklo Hol= o Geo po Okto-ze Di":

Un holo di (di Mono) u domi topo strata Saville fe= no es vaku, plus-co Phileas Fogg, u kron mono po an eko in u-la domi, ne st= i kine a kluba…

Panto sporta-pe sti aktivi per plu sporta karta, anti-= co mu du memo de horo-me.

Anti-co mi pa linqi France pre penta anua, kau= sa volu plu gluko-ra de domi eko, e sti servi iso servi-pe ci topo England.=

Fix sta topo boni vide-lo e kura sti examina de panto facia e figura; qi= monstra se.

Anti-co u-la po-kron ne sti muta ad u programa de Phileas Fo= gg.

In all of these cases, the verbal complement of “sti” does not have= a direct object and, thus, is not used transitively. In all of these case= s, the function of “sti” seems to be to indicate that the complement is use= d as a verb and (in some cases) that the action denoted by the complement i= s beginning.

-Ian

To: glosalist@yahoogroups.com From: myaleee@yahoo= .com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:08:26 +0000 Subject: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 1= 3: u formika e u troxalis

Dearest friend Niles you said: I’m not su= re what part of the “18 Lessons” you’re citing here. but the part I indica= ted is : “in qi ge-grafo ex krea-fe auto, in qi fe dice: sti =3D cause, mak= e (laugh etc.), switch on. WENDY, one of two glosa creators, herself said d= efining use of “ STI” in 18steps, sti =3D “cause, make (laugh etc.)”, switc= h. Find it in search,find,in “notepad” the use of “sti” in file 18steps. St= i e gene are NOT used to indicate verb use. Sti for transitiva, gene for ne= -transitiva, as in exemples of GID. gene=3Dbecome> nati=3D give birth to, g= ene nati =3D be born. muta=3Dchange something(transit.)>gene muta=3D become= changed (ne-tran.) Penite fo mega e saluta.

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.= com, Ian Niles ian_niles@... wrote:

Hi Myaleee,

I’m going to = switch to English here, since the discussion is becoming fairly technical. = See my responses below.

Thanks, Ian

To: glosalist@yahoogr= oups.com From: myaleee@… Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 19:15:45 +0000 Subje= ct: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 13: u formika e u troxalis

Ka= ro Niles ave boni 1- Proto , dice si tu prefere alo odio plu latino ver= ba??

I don't think it's a question of liking or disliking greek/= latin words. I'm just trying to use Core Glosa whenever possible.

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2- Mi volu audi opini de Sr. Miller

Me too :-).

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• Tu dice ““sti” simpli indika; u seqe-verba habe funktio de akti-verba in = ci frase.” Sed lekto u funktio de “sti” en loka http://www.glosa.org/en/g= 18s.htm

I'm not sure what part of the "18 Lessons" you're citing= here.

ge-grafo ex krea-fe auto, in qi fe dice: sti =3D cause, = make (laugh etc.), switch on. Babi somni(ne-trasitiva, ne nece objekto). Mi= sti somni babi(trasitiva, nece objekto=3Dbabi)=3D I make baby sleep. Kom= o en esperanto, Ido: mi dormas , I sleep> mi dormigas filon=3D I make son s= leep.(-ig =3D sti ante akti-verba) Es u difere mega in uti “sti” :-) Id m= uta akti-verba a transitiva, qi nece objekto!!

From what I've se= en (and this is a bit different from what I said originally), "sti" has two= functions: it can play the role of "ig" in Esperanto/Ido, but it can also = (based on my admittedly limited experience of reading Glosa) just mark that= a word is being used as a verb. I've seen "gene" used to indicate the same= thing, though with a passive rather than active emphasis. Just as "u(n)"/"= plu" are often used to mark nouns and "ko(n)" and "mode" are often used to = mark adverbs, I think "sti"/"gene" are often used to mark verbs. This makes= perfect sense given that in Glosa any word can be any part of speech. </ia= n> Uci es plu exempli de GID: sti rapidi u logi de plu Latin e Greko= vokabulari=3Dmake rapid understand Na nece sti logi u demo u gravi de Gl= osa. We must make people understand the importance of Glosa. Tu nece sti = vora an. You have to make him eat Fe pa sti gresi mi=3Dmake me walk id = sti na furi=3Dmake us angry kron an pa sti kade u grafo-liqi ad epi mi gr= ama. I was writing when he spilt the ink on to my letter.alo make fall st= i akorda 1+ match (v) sti ergo 1 drill (training) sti fatiga 1+ tedio= us sti flo 1++ launch sti fobo 1G scare; terrible , fobo is afraid of=

sti hedo 1++ make happy, hedo=3D is happy sti kade 1 fell (cause to fa= ll); tip over; upset (tip over) sti koleri 1+G annoy; irritate; provoke =

sti kredi 1++ convince; persuade sti mei 1 reduce sti memo 1++ rem= ind sti mira 1 amaze sti more 1++ accustom someone, more=3D is accust= omed sti morta 1 kill, morta=3Ddie

sti obe 1 subdue; subjugate st= i pato 1++G infect; infection sti pote 1++ enable sti puta 1+ impress=

sti retro 1 push back; turn back

sti ski 1++ announce sti sopo= 1 lull to sleep , sopo =3Dsleep

sti tristi 1 depress (make sad)

= — In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Ian Niles <ian_niles@> wrote:

= Gratia, Myalee. Anti-co, mi ne logi; qo-ka vi puta; “stora” es transitiv= a e “sika” ne es tali (vi ne pa apo u “sti” ante “sika” in vi versio de mi = translati). Ma generali, mi qestio; qe es difere inter transitiva e ne-tran= sitiva akti-verba in glosa. Mi pa puta; ne es difere e “sti” simpli indika;= u seqe-verba habe funktio de akti-verba in ci frase.

-Ian

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To: glosalist@yahoogroups.com From: myaleee@ Date: Tue= , 8 Feb 2011 18:02:33 +0000 Subject: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 13: u formik= a e u troxalis

Karo Niles “u formika = e u troxalis” es mega boni. Id es fo fo stimula. Mi totali respekti tu pref= ere de verba Greko. Sed mi prefere uti verba ex latino origo ka toto pes pr= e ski mu ma Greko verba! So mi pa face u versio de tu nara. Me volu tu suge= sti: —————- 1- Tem u boni di de hiberni, plu formika pa d= u sti sika plu grana; mu pa kolekti tem estiva. U troxalis, qi pa morta a k= ausa de famina, ambula para plu formika e fo petitio u mero ex alimenta. Pl= u formika pa demanda ad an; “qo-ka vi ne pa stora alimenta tem estiva?” U t= roxalis pa reakti; “mi ne pa habe sufici libe-tem. Mi pa spende toto di per= kanta.” Po-co, plu formika pa dice tem ridi anti an; “si vi sio pa es ta s= tupidi; vi pa kanta toto estiva, vi nece kore a kli minus-vora tem hiberni.= “

2-uti stora vice sti stora.(stora=3Dtransitiva) saluta m= yaleee, tu vexa-ple ami

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Ian Nile= s <ian_niles@> wrote:

Tem u boni di de frigi-tem, plu fo= rmika pa du sti sika plu grana; mu pa kolekti tem termo-tem. U troxalis, qi= pa gene morta kausa famina, ambula para plu formika e fo petitio u mero ex= sito. Plu formika pa demanda ad an; “qo-ka vi ne pa sti stora sito tem ter= mo-tem?” U troxalis pa reakti; “mi ne pa habe sufici libe-tem. Mi pa spende= panto di per kanta.” Po-co, plu formika pa dice tem ridi anti an; “si vi s= io pa es ta fatuo; vi pa kanta holo termo-tem, vi nece kore a kli minus-vor= a tem frigi-tem.”

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