Re: Aesop 13: u formika e u troxalis

dear Niles I agree with you for your keen searching the other use of “sti” = by Sr Miller :-) We usually follow 18steps of Wendy the auther of glosa an= d restrict use of “sti” for trans., and for clarity; Examples of Sr. Miller= can be changed in clearer ways thus:

• ne sti kine a kluba…>ne komence k= ine a kluba alo ne kine a kluba

*Panto sporta-pe sti aktivi >Panto sport= a-pe face aktivi alo esce aktivi

*sti servi iso servi-pe ci topo England.>= servi iso servi-pe(ne nece “sti”)

*kura sti examina de panto facia >ko ku= ra , an examina panto facia

Na volu ko interese re-akti de Sr. Miller. U-= la pa es mi opini. grati pro tu fo boni diskusi ;-)

tu ami myaleee

— In= glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Ian Niles ian_niles@... wrote:

Hi Myal= eee,

  I agree with you that one important use of "sti" is to mar= k transitivity, but there seem to be other important uses as well.  Conside= r, for example, the following sentences with "sti" in Gary's "Ciklo Holo Ge= o po Okto-ze Di":

Un holo di (di Mono) u domi topo strata Saville = feno es vaku, plus-co Phileas Fogg, u kron mono po an eko in u-la domi, ne = sti kine a kluba…

Panto sporta-pe sti aktivi per plu sporta karta,= anti-co mu du memo de horo-me.

Anti-co mi pa linqi France pre penta= anua, kausa volu plu gluko-ra de domi eko, e sti servi iso servi-pe ci top= o England.

Fix sta topo boni vide-lo e kura sti examina de panto faci= a e figura; qi monstra se.

Anti-co u-la po-kron ne sti muta ad u prog= rama de Phileas Fogg.

In all of these cases, the verbal complemen= t of “sti” does not have a direct object and, thus, is not used transitivel= y. In all of these cases, the function of “sti” seems to be to indicate th= at the complement is used as a verb and (in some cases) that the action den= oted by the complement is beginning.

-Ian

To: glosali= st@yahoogroups.com From: myaleee@… Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:08:26 +0= 000 Subject: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 13: u formika e u troxalis

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Dearest friend Niles you said: I’m not sure what part of the “= 18 Lessons” you’re citing here. but the part I indicated is : “in qi ge-= grafo ex krea-fe auto, in qi fe dice: sti =3D cause, make (laugh etc.), swi= tch on. WENDY, one of two glosa creators, herself said defining use of = “ STI” in 18steps, sti =3D “cause, make (laugh etc.)”, switch. Find it in s= earch,find,in “notepad” the use of “sti” in file 18steps. Sti e gene are NO= T used to indicate verb use. Sti for transitiva, gene for ne-transitiva, as= in exemples of GID. gene=3Dbecome> nati=3D give birth to, gene nati =3D be= born. muta=3Dchange something(transit.)>gene muta=3D become changed (ne-tr= an.) Penite fo mega e saluta.

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Ian = Niles <ian_niles@> wrote:

Hi Myaleee,

I’m going to sw= itch to English here, since the discussion is becoming fairly technical. Se= e my responses below.

Thanks, Ian

To: glosa= list@yahoogroups.com From: myaleee@ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 19:15:45 = +0000 Subject: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 13: u formika e u troxalis

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Karo Niles ave boni 1- Proto , dice si t= u prefere alo odio plu latino verba??

I don't think it's a q= uestion of liking or disliking greek/latin words. I'm just trying to use Co= re Glosa whenever possible.

2- Mi volu audi opini de Sr. Mi= ller

Me too :-).

3- Tu dice ““sti” simpli in= dika; u seqe-verba habe funktio de akti-verba in ci frase.” Sed lekto u= funktio de “sti” en loka http://www.glosa.org/en/g18s.htm

I= 'm not sure what part of the "18 Lessons" you're citing here.

= ge-grafo ex krea-fe auto, in qi fe dice: sti =3D cause, make (laugh etc.= ), switch on. Babi somni(ne-trasitiva, ne nece objekto). Mi sti somni babi(= trasitiva, nece objekto=3Dbabi)=3D I make baby sleep. Komo en esperanto= , Ido: mi dormas , I sleep> mi dormigas filon=3D I make son sleep.(-ig =3D = sti ante akti-verba) Es u difere mega in uti “sti” :-) Id muta akti-ver= ba a transitiva, qi nece objekto!!

From what I've seen (and = this is a bit different from what I said originally), "sti" has two functio= ns: it can play the role of "ig" in Esperanto/Ido, but it can also (based o= n my admittedly limited experience of reading Glosa) just mark that a word = is being used as a verb. I've seen "gene" used to indicate the same thing, = though with a passive rather than active emphasis. Just as "u(n)"/"plu" are= often used to mark nouns and "ko(n)" and "mode" are often used to mark adv= erbs, I think "sti"/"gene" are often used to mark verbs. This makes perfect= sense given that in Glosa any word can be any part of speech.

= Uci es plu exempli de GID: sti rapidi u logi de plu Latin e Greko v= okabulari=3Dmake rapid understand Na nece sti logi u demo u gravi de Gl= osa. We must make people understand the importance of Glosa. Tu nece st= i vora an. You have to make him eat Fe pa sti gresi mi=3Dmake me walk = id sti na furi=3Dmake us angry kron an pa sti kade u grafo-liqi ad e= pi mi grama. I was writing when he spilt the ink on to my letter.alo make f= all sti akorda 1+ match (v) sti ergo 1 drill (training) sti f= atiga 1+ tedious sti flo 1++ launch sti fobo 1G scare; terrible ,= fobo is afraid of sti hedo 1++ make happy, hedo=3D is happy sti ka= de 1 fell (cause to fall); tip over; upset (tip over) sti koleri 1+G a= nnoy; irritate; provoke sti kredi 1++ convince; persuade sti mei = 1 reduce sti memo 1++ remind sti mira 1 amaze sti more 1++ a= ccustom someone, more=3D is accustomed sti morta 1 kill, morta=3Ddie =

sti obe 1 subdue; subjugate sti pato 1++G infect; infection = sti pote 1++ enable sti puta 1+ impress sti retro 1 push back; = turn back

sti ski 1++ announce sti sopo 1 lull to sleep , so= po =3Dsleep

sti tristi 1 depress (make sad)

— In glosa= list@yahoogroups.com, Ian Niles <ian_niles@> wrote:

Grat= ia, Myalee. Anti-co, mi ne logi; qo-ka vi puta; “stora” es transitiva e “si= ka” ne es tali (vi ne pa apo u “sti” ante “sika” in vi versio de mi transla= ti). Ma generali, mi qestio; qe es difere inter transitiva e ne-transitiva = akti-verba in glosa. Mi pa puta; ne es difere e “sti” simpli indika; u seqe= -verba habe funktio de akti-verba in ci frase.

-Ian

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To: glosalist@yahoogroups.com From: myaleee@ = Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:02:33 +0000 Subject: [glosalist] Re: Aesop 1= 3: u formika e u troxalis

K= aro Niles “u formika e u troxalis” es mega boni. Id es fo fo stimula.= Mi totali respekti tu prefere de verba Greko. Sed mi prefere uti verba ex = latino origo ka toto pes pre ski mu ma Greko verba! So mi pa face u versio = de tu nara. Me volu tu sugesti: —————- 1- Tem u boni = di de hiberni, plu formika pa du sti sika plu grana; mu pa kolekti tem esti= va. U troxalis, qi pa morta a kausa de famina, ambula para plu formika e fo= petitio u mero ex alimenta. Plu formika pa demanda ad an; “qo-ka vi ne pa = stora alimenta tem estiva?” U troxalis pa reakti; “mi ne pa habe sufici lib= e-tem. Mi pa spende toto di per kanta.” Po-co, plu formika pa dice tem ridi= anti an; “si vi sio pa es ta stupidi; vi pa kanta toto estiva, vi nece kor= e a kli minus-vora tem hiberni.”

2-uti stora vice sti stora.(s= tora=3Dtransitiva) saluta myaleee, tu vexa-ple ami

= — In glosalist@yahoogroups.com, Ian Niles <ian_niles@> wrote:

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Tem u boni di de frigi-tem, plu formika pa du sti sika plu g= rana; mu pa kolekti tem termo-tem. U troxalis, qi pa gene morta kausa famin= a, ambula para plu formika e fo petitio u mero ex sito. Plu formika pa dema= nda ad an; “qo-ka vi ne pa sti stora sito tem termo-tem?” U troxalis pa rea= kti; “mi ne pa habe sufici libe-tem. Mi pa spende panto di per kanta.” Po-c= o, plu formika pa dice tem ridi anti an; “si vi sio pa es ta fatuo; vi pa k= anta holo termo-tem, vi nece kore a kli minus-vora tem frigi-tem.” =

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