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Re: Mondlango is no hoax!
shearzar ("shearzar" <ken.scherer@...>) on November 28, 2008
My post to the Mondlango group regarding my huntch that = Mondlango is an Esperanto hoax isn’t showing. Thanks for replying to my p= ost about it here. :-)
It would be funny if it is hoax, but I don’t care e= ither way. After looking at several of the many Esperantidos, I conclude t= hat trying to reform Esperanto is a waste of time. I saw a list of over 10= 0 Esperantidos that I compare to the over ten thousand Protestant denomin= ations. Even Ido, the only viable Esperantido, can’t compete with Esperant= o. Who knows, I might try to learn Esperanto (and Glosa).
Again, after a= ll my searching, I still like Glosa best. Now, I have to stop talking and = start doing!
— In email@example.com, “andoromeda83” <andorome= da83@…> wrote:
I am a member of the Mondlango Y= ahoo Group since some time. I don’t think that it is a hoax. The name He = Yafu is maybe a joke or pseudonym, the real creator of Mondlango seems to= be the guy “Li Yongxiu” from the Yahoo group.
Mondlango has certain= ly nearly not many followers. There was at least some activity in the ch= inese forum of Mondlango. To proof that it is hoax you must be able to re= ad this, I am not. But you have to keep in mind that people from China h= ave restrictions regarding the internet. So not everybody can maybe acti= ve in Yahoo Groups etc. So it is hard to say if there are followers at al= l.
In the lingistic sense Mondlango is no big approvement of Esperanto= , it still uses the “table-words” like kiu, kio, kie and the building of=
Antonyms of Adjectives (malgranda for small), it only changes mal- wit= h another prefix. These items are since the days of Ido (1907) erased fro= m every Esperanto based language. Mondlango then uses more English words = instead of latin bases words. This is because the language was developed = in China and the knowledge of Latin is a bit limited. If it is no hoax th= en the most interesting thing in Mondlango is that it is developed in Ch= ina and not in Europe or North America like nearly all other auxiliary la= nguages.
If it is an elaborated hoax then some invested really a lot o= f work in it for a long time. There is too much work inside it to be a k= ind of joke. So I think Mondlango is no hoax, but on the other hand nothi= ng really new or spectacular.
— In= firstname.lastname@example.org, “shearzar” <ken.scherer@> wrote:
It is = easy for me to mix grammars. One person’s vowel is another’s consonan= t. The Ceqli conlang considers L, M, N, Q, and R to be vowels! No wond= er I get confused. :-)
If Mondlango is another Esperanto Adjuvilo= , I’m not upset. That would be a great prank. My posts about that are= based on my hypothesis that “He Yafu”, the name of the founder of Mon= dlango, is an Esperanto pun for “Hey, you fool” (or, “Ha! You fool!”?= ).
Even if I’m wrong about Mondlango being an elaborate hoax, its=
diphthongs muddies the goal of one symbol one sound. I submit=
the listener would not easily determine how to properly spell a=
with a diphtong in it. But, what ever, I don’t care, Glosa word= s are easier to pronounce.
I want it to be all Greek (and = Latin) to me. :-) Glosa is my friend.
Happy Thanksgiving. I have= to go play nice with the in-laws. :-)
— In glosalist= @yahoogroups.com, “Llu=C3=ADs Batlle” <viriketo@> wrote:
In es= peranto, the name “vokaloj” (vowels) mean those symbols in the set “= a,e,i,o,u”. Although “j,=C5=AD” (w,y in your mondlango) have a vowel-= like sound for “i” and “u”, they aren’t counted in the set named= “vokaloj”.
Don’t mix grammars. :)
Nevertheless, = if you are worried with things like those, I guess you will find onl= y deception in the world of conlangs. Sooner or later.
2008/1= 1/27, shearzar <ken.scherer@>:
I am still waiting on my 18 steps Gl= os book. It’s on back order.
Something funny to share: Out= of curiosity, I checked out Mondlango, a revision of Esperant= o.
A few Esperanto articles (one of which calls Mondlango
an “antecesor del globish”), caused me to think Mondlango is an= Adjuvilo- like Esperanto joke. I spent hours looking in va= in for info about He Yafu. Surely, the creator of a language that = purportedly has tens of thousands of speakers since its creation i= n 2002 would have his picture Online. Is He Yafu an Esperanto = pun for “Hey, you fool”?
On mondlango.com, FAQ #20 says, “M= ondlango has realized the dream of ‘one symbol one sound’ both the= oretically and practically.” Yet, we find on the Alphabet pag= e the comment, “semivowels: w y. Semivowels can be combined with vo= wels to form diphthongs, such as ay [ai], ey[ei], oy[oi], aw[= au], ow[ou].”
Websters New World College Dictionary 4th Edi= tion says a diphthong is, “a complex vowel sound made by gliding c= ontinuously from the position for one vowel to that for another wi= thin the same syllable, as (ou) in down.”
Page= two of the Alphabet on mondlango.com says, “The number of syllable= s in a word is given by the number of vowels.”
Before we ev= en get to Online lesson one, we see that Mondlango comments about o= ne symbol one sound, diphthongs, and one vowel per syllable are co= ntradictory!
I still haven’t found an auxlang that I like b= etter than Glosa!! :-)
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