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Re: [glosalist] Wow! Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM)

John Avis (John Avis <jhnavis@...>) on September 9, 2006

Robin Fairbridge Gaskell wrote:

Saluta sid, I read through your numbers, but missed the connection between 877 and “cozu”. As far as I know Anna Wicsbecker (??) has been around for ages and has been knutting her system of categories out - without any reference to numbers - and has reached her conclusions very slowly… by thinking.

For certain, she saw NO CONNECTION between her line of enquiry and Glosa; at least that’s what she told me when I contacted her around 1990. Possibly, the slow thinking method has allowed her neurons to click into place to see that the Glosa “concept language” idea is the way she is going. But, I’d not bet on it.

The ‘number-language’ idea could be useful to computer programming communicators, but I don’t like its chances of catching on with the people in the street.

Habe u Boni Di,


At 04:22 AM 8/30/06, sid pidd pa grafo:

Perhaps NSM might have some connection with some thoughts branching from Glosa, I had a little while ago about IALs . , I was working on a vocabulary that might be useful. I started with 16 consonants and 5 vowels and turned them into 80 syllables all of them being CV and numbered from 0 to 79

This automatically excluded clusters that could be difficult to pronounce by some speakers. First, I used the Roget’s Thesaurus of Penguin Books. in this book’s index, words have a number which is divided by 80 until the result is less than 80; as one divides, one gets a series of fractions or remainders i.e 717 gives 8 77 which would give “cozu” for “peace” However I was worried about copyright and could get no reply to any enquiries so I tried a method of my own:- meanings were repeatedly divided into 3 - concrete(27)/ abstract(18)/ neither, both or unknown(9) concrete would lead to animate(9)/ inanimate(6)/neither,both or unknown(3); animate could lead to plant(2), animal(1) n,b or u(0). add the numbers 27+9+1=37 the word so far would be c7 and v2 =”je” or each category could be 0 to 79 leading to a further category of 0 to 79.

posi NSM posi habe plu nexi ko plu puta ke pa rami ab glosa , mi pa habe u pusi tem pre de plu IAL . , mi pa ergo epi u verba-lista ke posi es ko uti . mi pa sti ko 16 konsono e 5 vokali e pa tropi mu ad-in 80 silabi panto de mu pa es CV e ko plu nume ab 0 a 79

u-ci pa automati exklude plu fa ke pa-pote es no-facili te soni ex plu de u dice pe . proto , mi pa uti u Roget Thesaurus de Penguin Books”. in u-ci bibli indexi , plu verba du habe u nume qi du gene divide ex 80 a-kron u seqe es mei de 80; ka pe du divide , pe du gene u seri de plu ratio alo resta i.e 717 du dona 8 77 qi du dona “cozu” pro “peace” anti-co mi du es ge vexa de copyright e pa-pote gene no reakti a uno qestio so mi pa tenta u metodi de u mi auto :- plu semani pa ge itera gene divide ad-in 3 - betoni (27)/ abstrakti (18)/ ni , ambi alo ne ge ski (9) betoni sio age duce a vive (9)/ ge ne vive (6)/ ni , ambi alo ne ski (3); ge vive pa-pote age duce a fito (2), animali zoa (1) n,b alo u(0). adi plu nume 27+9+1=37 u verba so tele sio es C7 e V2 =”je” alo singu kategori pa-pote es 0 a 79 qi age duce a u tele kategori de 0 a 79.

might perhaps help somehow >


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It may be of interest that Lancelot Hogben numbered the words of Interglossa. He considered that by using numerals we could communicate using only ten symbols.

He wrote: “This involves recourse to half as many symbols from a keyboard with less than half as many items.” This was in 1943 so he was not speaking about a computer keyboard !

Saluta, John Avis

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