Re: [glosalist] Bene-veni plu auxlang-pe!

Karo Lista-pe, Mi inklude u holo de Marcel posta: ne solo ka id monstro fo boni krea-aktivi, sed kausa mi vo dona komenta koncerne u mode de uti de lingua:-

At 11:20 PM 5/23/03 +0200, Marcel grafo:

[English seqe Glosa]

Pa di sixa, mi pa nunci de na neo Glosalist ad Yahoo in Auxlang e-grama lista. Auxlang funktio per listserv, sed id plus existe ad Yahoo. Pe pote dice: id es para-lista de Glosalist.

Nu mi hedo: u-ci setimana na pa gene neo membra: cp46tan, idojc, Alesandrulo (pracrito) e Rodrigo (philoglot). E mi hedo: Jay es la itera, ave! E pre, oligo hetero pe pa juga.

Si tu es auxlang-pe alo si tu veni ex ali-lo: bene-veni a panto vi! Gratia de tu interese de Glosa e saluta -

[Last Saturday I made a short announcement about our new Glosalist at Yahoo in the auxlang mailing list. Auxlang runs under listserv, but is also available at Yahoo, so to say a neighbour-list of Glosalist. Now I am glad, that this week we got new members: . And I am happy, that Jay is here again, hi! And before a few others joined. If you are auxlangers or wherever you come from: welcome to all of you. Thanks for your interest in Glosa and greetings - ]

Marcel

• Ko pusi tem, mi pa lekto un England-lingua versio, pre mi pa skopo u Glosa versio.
  1. Mi prefere un uti de ‘di-six’ [=Saturday] ne plu bi verbi, ‘di’ e ‘six’. So, ~Pa di-six, … ~ pote es nuli hetero de u traduce de “Last Saturday, … ‘. Ka ‘pa-di’ eqa u di pre nu, ~Pa di six, … ‘ minus ali jugo-marka (hifen [hyphen]) dona no klari semani.
  2. ~ … ad Yahoo in Auxlang e-grama lista.~ : mi pa lekto u-ci grega de bi minor-grupa bi tem, in bi England-lingua e Glosa, pre mi pa gene u korekti semani. Prima, mi pa puta mo koma, alo bi, es apo; seqe, mi gene u real-isa ke u muta de bi pusi verbi sio dona klari sintaxi. ~ … mi pa nunci de na neo Glosalist ad Yahoo in Auxlang e-grama lista.~ - ? + -> ~ mi pa nunci na neo Glosalist to Yahoo in un Auxlang e-grama lista.~ [I did anno. our new Glosal. at Yahoo in the Auxlang mail list]

   Mi habe un este ke Marcel pa traduce ex England-lingua a Glosa ne u hetero direkti.  Plu pre-positi verbi de Glosa habe u logika de plu matematiko simboli, e meio plu qalita de moli lingua: a,ad [to,towards]; to,topo [at]; in [into]; intra [in,inside].   *. Sed u-la eqa sati komenta de plu akuto punkta de Glosa.

$ U mega bene-venu a plu neo jugo-pe: cp46tan, idojc, Alesandrulo (pracrito) e Rodrigo (philoglot); e Jay, re-venu. Mi spe ke plu-pe; qi nu detekti Glosa, amo plu qalita de u lingua. U finali verbi de singu Glosa minor-grega [phrase] es u major verbi de u minor-grega. Intra plu verbi de plu lingua-pe, u-ci struktura gene ge-nima, “kefa-finali” [head final]. Ron Clark pa dice ke Glosa eqa u ‘koncepti lingua.’ Tem poli-pe dona objekti ad u-ci deskribe, mi habe un este ke u-ci idea - de koncepti lingua

• separa Glosa ex plu hetero inter-lingua.

  Poli anua pre nu, mi pa imagina ke plu fo intelege persona; qi krea un Inter-reti, fu sio kompleti un ergo - de dona munda komunika a homi - per krea u lingua; qi, iso plu elektroni, pa habe un abili de gene a holo-pe. Glosa habe un apare de es u-ci ‘apo kopula’ [missing link] de komunika. Id habe ma de un este de u pidgin lingua de un elektroni-era, e meio de un este de equs e kareta, alo stilo e papira; bi de qi habe aplika a plu inter-lingua; ge-deriva ex plu traditio natio lingua.

  E nu uti England-lingua:- - - - - - - - - - - -

• With little time, I read the English version before I looked at the Glosa version.

  1. I prefer the use of ~di-six~ (for Saturday) not the two words ~di~ and ~six~.
     Thus, ~Pa di-six, … ~ can be nothing other than a translation of “Last Saturday, … “. Because ‘pa-di’ is the day before now, ~Pa di six, … ~ without any joining-mark (hyphen) gives no clear meaning.

  2. ~ … ad Yahoo in Auxlang e-grama lista.~ : I (did) read this group of two phrases twice, in both English and Glosa, before I got the correct meaning. First, I thought one comma, or two, were absent; subsequently, I got the realisation that the change of two small words would give clear syntax. ~ … mi pa nunci de na neo Glosalist ad Yahoo in Auxlang e-grama lista.~ - ? + -> ~ mi pa nunci na neo Glosalist to Yahoo in un Auxlang e-grama lista.~ [I did anno. our new Glosal. at Yahoo in the Auxlang mail list]

     I have the feeling that Marcel translated from English to Glosa, not (in) the other direction. The preposition words of Glosa have the logic of mathematical symbols, and less (of) the qualities of soft language: a,ad [to,towards]; to,topo [at]; in [into]; intra [in,inside].

*. But that is enough comment about the sharp (finer) points of Glosa.

$ A big welcome to the new joiners: cp46tan, idojc, Alesandrulo (pracrito) e Rodrigo (philoglot), and (to) Jay, returned. I hope that people, who now discover Glosa, like the qualities of the language. The final word of each Glosa phrase is the main word of the phrase. In the words of linguists, this structure is called “head final.” Ron Clark said that Glosa is a ‘concept language.’ While many (people) object to this description, I have the feeling that this idea - of concept language - separates Glosa from the other interlanguages.

Many years before now, I imagined that the very intelligent people who created the Internet, would (in the future) complete the work - of giving global communication to mankind - by creating the language, which, like the electrons, had the ability of reaching everybody.
Glosa has the appearance of being this 'missing link' of communication.
It has more of the feeling of the pidgin language of the electronic era, and less of the feeling of horse and cart, or pen and paper, both of which apply to the interlanguages, (that are) derived from the traditional national languages.

Saluta,

Robin Gaskell

To help with usage, I use:- GLOSA 6000 - 6000 Greek and Latin Words and Roots, 1992, Glosa Download (144pp) Glosa Internet Dictionary (GID): English - Glosa, 2000, Glosalist [now updated on Marcel’s website] Greek dictionary Latin Dictionary & common sense, inherent language ability, and the idea of Chomsky’s “Universal Language”