Re: Rules and Guidelines: word order with "u"

Karo Kim–

My guess is that the copyright is there because it contained (a= nd then greatly expanded on) text that was already printed by the Glosa Edu= cation Organisation (GEO). Ron Clark (1914-2000) may have had a hand in th= is text too.

Saluta, _ _ /. /\ Gary #

— In glosalist@yahoogroups.com,= “Kim” <kimesperanto@…> wrote:

Gary,

Thanks, I am in the proc= ess of reading that now.

I see that Robin Gaskell authored that paper,= and I noticed it has the mark “=A9 Glosa Education Organisation, Richmond = U.K., 1999” at the bottom. Do you know - does the latter mean that Wendy = Ashby reviewed this and gave it ‘official’ status?

I ask because some = statements do not at first glance seem correct, but I’d like to research th= em before raising them here.

Saluta! Kim

— In glosalist@ya= hoogroups.com, “Gary” <gmillernd@> wrote:

Kim–

A good sta= rt is

http://glosa.org/en/gramm.htm

and look under “Synta= x.”

Saluta,

_ _ /. /\ Gary #

— I= n glosalist@yahoogroups.com, “Kim” <kimesperanto@> wrote:

Karo = Glosa-pe,

I have been reading the Glosa Internet Dictionary mu= ch lately, and have a program that can parse ‘glen.txt’. A huge thank you = to Marcel and the other contributors for their work! When my program (writ= ten in Python) is sufficiently developed, I can make it available, if desir= ed. My initial goal is to produce an HTML version that has bold main entri= es. I plan to rerun it as new releases appear from Marcel.

Th= e next question I have for you all concerns the grammar rules of Glosa. I = know that Wendy Ashby and Ron Clark rarely stated them. Learning from exam= ples, as presented in “18 Steps”, is an excellent way to learn. But afterw= ards when I have a question about usage, it is painful to scan through lots= of text to discover if usage X is ever done. So I would like to try to de= duce what rules of the grammar there seem to be, as well as what are simply= guidelines, and present them to you all for review and correction. Loosel= y, a ‘rule’ is always followed, and a ‘guideline’ is usually followed, = and may have to do with good style (however that is defined) more so than c= orrectness. (I hope not to get into prescriptionist vs descriptionist disc= ussions. :)

For example, a rule would be: “u” always precede= s the noun it modifies, possibly with intervening modifiers.

= So, to begin: is this a rule?

1. When ‘u’ is used wi= th a noun that also has one or more adjectives, “u” always precedes the adj= ectives. This applies equally to “un” and “plu”.

   Cor= rect: un hedo prince u mega kali religio-do Incorre= ct: hedo un prince mega u kali religio-do

I scanned “18= Steps” and did not find any counterexamples, but I could have missed one, = and even absence there is not a proof. Please send your thoughts, correcti= ons, discussion. For now I am trying to stay strictly with the documents p= roduced by W.A. and R.C from 1985 onwards, i.e., the official defining docs= of the language. I know outside of that there seems to be a lot of variat= ion…

Saluta e Gratia! Kim