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Re: Rules and Guidelines: word order with "u"

Kim ("Kim" <kimesperanto@...>) on February 19, 2013


Thanks, I am in the process of reading that now.

I see that Robin = Gaskell authored that paper, and I noticed it has the mark “=A9 Glosa Educa= tion Organisation, Richmond U.K., 1999” at the bottom. Do you know - does= the latter mean that Wendy Ashby reviewed this and gave it ‘official’ stat= us?

I ask because some statements do not at first glance seem correct, but= I’d like to research them before raising them here.

Saluta! Kim

— In =, “Gary” <gmillernd@…> wrote:


A g= ood start is

and look under “Syntax= .”


_ _ /. /\ Gary #

— In glosalist@yahoogr=, “Kim” <kimesperanto@> wrote:

Karo Glosa-pe,

I ha= ve been reading the Glosa Internet Dictionary much lately, and have a progr= am that can parse ‘glen.txt’. A huge thank you to Marcel and the other con= tributors for their work! When my program (written in Python) is sufficien= tly developed, I can make it available, if desired. My initial goal is to = produce an HTML version that has bold main entries. I plan to rerun it as = new releases appear from Marcel.

The next question I have for you = all concerns the grammar rules of Glosa. I know that Wendy Ashby and Ron C= lark rarely stated them. Learning from examples, as presented in “18 Steps= “, is an excellent way to learn. But afterwards when I have a question abo= ut usage, it is painful to scan through lots of text to discover if usage X= is ever done. So I would like to try to deduce what rules of the grammar = there seem to be, as well as what are simply guidelines, and present them t= o you all for review and correction. Loosely, a ‘rule’ is always followe= d, and a ‘guideline’ is usually followed, and may have to do with good st= yle (however that is defined) more so than correctness. (I hope not to get= into prescriptionist vs descriptionist discussions. :)

For exampl= e, a rule would be: “u” always precedes the noun it modifies, possibly wi= th intervening modifiers.

So, to begin: is this a rule?

  1. When ‘u’ is used with a noun that also has one or more adjective= s, “u” always precedes the adjectives. This applies equally to “un” and “p= lu”.

    Correct: un hedo prince u mega kali religio= -do Incorrect: hedo un prince mega u kali religio-do =

I scanned “18 Steps” and did not find any counterexamples, but I cou= ld have missed one, and even absence there is not a proof. Please send you= r thoughts, corrections, discussion. For now I am trying to stay strictly = with the documents produced by W.A. and R.C from 1985 onwards, i.e., the of= ficial defining docs of the language. I know outside of that there seems t= o be a lot of variation…

Saluta e Gratia! Kim

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