Re: [glosalist] Verba-Taxo alo Verba-Semani

Karo Glosalist-pe, At 12:02 PM 6/19/03 -0700, Nick Hempshall grafo:

Karo plu glosa-lista-pe,

Akorda mi doxo, Glosa eqa u lingua ge-logi per semani de plu verba e per kontextu de dice, e ne cefa ge-logi per verba taxo.

• Nu-di, u xeno eveni acide, tem mi veni ad u Lista.

Mi nece kogita de Nick verbi, e konsidera u maxi boni mode de dona responde a mu.

Akorda, kron mi komence puta uti Glosa, mi ne loka plu verbi in u rigidi struktura. U sintaxi ne es u prima ra; de qi mi puta: to u proto, mi kogita de plu idea, e komence detekti plu verbi; qi fu dona plu-ci semani.

Anti-co, ko plu gru verbi intra mi menta, mi tenta cerka u maxi boni este de artikula plu-ci idea. E ko-co, il jam existe - intra u difere mero de mi menta - u generali modela de frasa struktura; in u-ci vaku struktura, mi lase kade plu verbi; representa plu idea; qi mi vo expresi.

[To-day a strange thing happened as I came to the List.

I needed to think of Nick’s words, and consider the best way of replying to them.

Agreed, when I start to think in Glosa, I do not put the words into a rigid structure. Syntax is not the first thing I think about: at the start, I think about the ideas, and start finding the words, which will give these meanings.

However, with the suitable words in my mind, I try to seek the best feeling for putting these ideas together. And with all that, there already exists - in a different part of my mind - a general model of sentence structure; into this empty structure, I drop the words representing the ideas, which I want to express.]

Akorda mi, Glosa habe u semani ge-basi gramatika, ne u rigidi verba-taxo.

• E so, te diskursi plu-ci idea es boni - si id produce u ma boni, ma log-abili lingua. Sed, tem id posi es so, ke Glosa habe u ‘semani ge-basi gramatika,’ mi, a-nu, kontinu de uti un alterno hipothesis: de ‘sintaxi ge-basi gramatika. Pro qod raisona? # Gramatika eqa u faski de regula: plu-pe pote tena plu regula koncerne verbi ordina; anti-co, mu fu habe dificili de detekti ali faski de regula koncerne semani .. pre mu tenta logi plu tali. # Ron Clark pa dice ke u frasa struktura de England-lingua eqa u maxi boni modela pro Glosa. E u-ci lingua habe oligo flexi, plus, pro major mero, u no-grafo gramatika de plu verbi ordina. # Plu bibli de Funktio Gramatika; qi seqe plu idea de Prof. M.A.K. Halliday, grafo de plu minor-grega habe u seqe de verbi ko difere funktio. Seqe lekto de u-ci modela, mi vide ke Funktio Gramatika dona explika de ge-grafo Glosa, e provide u boni guida pro u grafo de Glosa. # Il es nuli exempla, a-nu, de u lingua; qi habe semani ge-basi gramatika, e nuli ge-grafo faski de plu regula de ali ‘semani ge-basi’ lingua ali-lo. # Pre un existe de Glosa, na ne habe ali faski de plu regula de u ‘sintaxi ge-basi lingua,’ sed u tali faski nu pote es detekti epi mi Reti-lo.

Brevi, un analisi de u sintaxi de Glosa don un indika de u funktio de plu verbi intra u Glosa frasa: uno-pe nece u sekunda analisi de plu koncepa de plu separa verbi te gene u logi de u semani de u frasa.

In frase, mi doxo; u proto verba-grupo habe cefa gravi.

U Frase gene face ex Topika + “Dice”.

U “Dice” gene face ex Akti-Verba-Grupa + A-Verba-Grupa

• Buta-Verba-Grupa

Exempla: Tom dona a Kate plu flori.

Topika : Tom Akti-Verba-Grupa: dona Ne-Cefa-Buta-Verba-Grupa: a Kate Cefa-Buta-Verba-Grupa: plu flori

U elekti de u-ci taxo ex plu face-pa de Glosa habe subo ne-puta.

E in england-lingua, pe re-taxo plu verba te loka cefa pensa a proto, exempla

Kate is given flowers by Tom Flowers are given to Kate by Tom

Poli ami saluta ex Nick Hempshall

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In my opinion, Glosa is a language understood from the meanings of the words and the context in which they are uttered, and not chiefly by means of the word order or syntax. For me, Glosa has a semantically based grammar rather than a fixed syntax.

In a sentence, I feel that the words at the beginning have the most importance.

The sentence is constructed out of Topic + Comment (or Subject + Predicate)

The comment, out of Verb-Phrase + Indirect-Object-Phrase + Direct-Object-Phrase.

For example: Tom gives Kate flowers.

Topic: Tom VP: gives IOP: Kate DOP: flowers

The choice of this order by the Glosa authors is really fairly arbitrary.

And in English the sentence get re-arranged to put the chief thought at the beginning.

Kate is given flowers by Tom Flowers are given to Kate by Tom

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