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Re: [glosalist] dictd dictionary
Robin Fairbridge Gaskell (Robin Fairbridge Gaskell <drought-breaker@...>) on May 5, 2005
Hi Lluis, Best wishes with your University studies. You are right= in saying Glosa’s grammar is similar to English.
But it is misleadin= g to say Glosa's grammar is too close to that of English. The simila= rity with English is important because the sentence structure of English a= llows people to write both simply and logically. The differences between = the grammars of English and Glosa are also very important, because Glosa ke= eps the logicality, but avoids what I call "sloppy" English structures.
= For people who have English as their first language, this distinction = is often overlooked … when they attempt to write in Glosa, but continue = to think in English!
If you take an English sentence, and 'transliter= ate' it into Glosa (IE translate word for word), you will not necessarily = get a syntactically correct Glosa sentence. However, were you to use the = opposite process, and transliterate a well-written Glosa sentence into Eng= lish, you would end up with a passable,and fairly readily understood Engli= sh sentence. You could say Glosa's sentence structure is a sub-set of= the sentence structure of English... the strictly syntactically correct s= ub-set of it. An ki domi. is bad Glosa on first sight; it shoul= d be, An ki ad an domi. [he go(es) home] = [he go(es) to his home]
One does NOT= “go” a home: ‘go’ is not strictly transitive; it takes an indirect object= (EG ‘to home’), and so needs the preposition - in this case, “to” - to sa= tisfy the rules of syntax.
However, while people use elipsis in Engli= sh all the time, leaving out words all over the place, they can do the sam= e with Glosa, turning full sentences into abbreviated forms. But, the= sentences you start off with should be syntactically correct, resulting i= n a "vernacular" form of Glosa from which one can imagine, and readily rep= lace, the missing words, to fill out the *brevi* form to regain the fully = syntactic sentence. Thus, ~An ki * * domi.~
un-elides to, ~An ki a= d an domi.~
Glosa avoids non-literal language (mainly metaphor and idi= om) and ^calls a spade a spade.^ You can guess why: figures of speech var= y from culture to culture. English has about five inflections; Glosa = has none. Thus we can say Glosa's grammar is "Syntax-based." It uses He= ad final phrase structure. In plain language, the most important word in = a phrase comes last! In a Noun Phrase, the noun is last, and is preced= ed by the modifiers, if any, with the *noun flag* ('determinant' or 'artic= le' in English) if necessary, coming first. I did write a Glosa Gram= mar, and bits of it are still on the Internet in different places. C= ongratulations on writing a dictd dictionary, I must visit your site.
Salu= ta ,
At 09:19 PM 4/29/05, you wrote:
I attempted = to learn glosa some time ago, but I haven’t had enough time (or enough int= erest to learn it. :)
Anyway, I’ve done a dictd-version of the dictionar= y glosa-english. You can search in it using the web interface: http://vic= erveza.homeunix.net/~viric//cgi-bin/Dict There select the “glosa-english” = dictionary.
If someone is interested in the files needed for a own dictd= -server, ask, and I’ll send (it’s about 200kb, I think).
I think in the= future I’ll write a web page, where the dictd-files will be downloadable.= But I’m in a hurry now… university!
- I’ll keep on with glosa. By now= I think the grammar is too-similar with English; and there aren’t good= explanations of it. That’s what made me loose some interest. (“Tio = min bremsis. Mi ne scias pli bone tion diri angle :)”
By now, enjoy the = web search engine. It’s quite simple.. don’t try to hack it, you may succe= ss ;)
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