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Re: [glosalist] Inflections

Manuel Valderrama (Manuel Valderrama <cp46tan@...>) on February 12, 2004

Saluta a karo L=E1szl=F3 e pan Glosa-pe!

T=F3th L=E1szl=F3 pa grafo:

Rob= in Gaskell wrote:

While other have tried to dissuade me, and have= extolled the virtues of inflection, I still wonder why English, the lea= st inflected of the national languages, has done so well.

A= .) When I first met English, I wondered how a language that don’t use infl= ections can express all the human idea.

Another extreme example is Chines= e. I think that there is no problem with isolated languages. I also think = that sometimes the supposed difficulty of inflected languages is overempha= sized. I personally found Latin more easy than English in some aspects, bu= t I must admit I have an extrange linguistic sense (an it is also true tha= t latin has a very regular declination/conjugation, with only 8 irregular = verbs, and very few irregular nouns).

And I found the English extremly u= seful. But then, I had to get to know of it’s secrets. So, that is possibl= e only if there are a very big amount of expressions that helps you to expr= ess yourself in conformity with yours requirement. And those expressions ma= inly don’t give you a logical sense of the meaning of it’s words, but you m= ust learn it’s meaning in advance. As me, that takes more time, then if yo= u were using infleksions (of course, I thought only about inflected plannad= languages).

Well, to compare an almost isolated natural language wit= h an inflected planned language is not very fair. Esperanto is very much m= ore easy that any natural language I know, and the truth is that it is not= so inflected (two cases, two genders, and a very easy conjugation). Compa= re its inflections with that of slavic languages!

I don’t master Glosa, = but I hope that it don’t follows that way of English, which made you to lea= rn an enormous quantity of expressions.

For this to happen, it is rea= lly essential that the number of non-English Glosa speakers grows. Native-= English Glosa speakers can, incounciously, introduce too many anglicism in= to Glosa.

B.) Why Glosa didn’t get spread? I think, that it could be bec= ouse there aren’t dictionaries and coursebooks all around the world. And wh= ich is more important (as me), you can’t read enough immaginative literatur= e that could give you command in a language. Even “Ido” din’t get spread b= ecause of the same thing, although it is better than Esp.

You have po= inted the greatest flaw of Glosa at the moment! The learning of a language= should be extensive, not intensive. If you have many text to read, or rec= ords to hear, you adquire in a natural way a feeling of what is natural in= a language and what’s not. On the other side, even if a language has very= few rules or very easy syntax, trying to say/write something while thinki= ng “Am I constructing a correct sentence?” is not so easy… sure, even if= you can read a lot of material, this would happen, but with that great am= ount of linguistic input there will be a strong feedback between the learn= er and the language, and the learning rate will experiment a great boost. =

I can talk about my own experience. Thanks to internet, I can read a lot

of English daily, and I have some unconcious “sense” of what is correct or= not in English. English has some strange constraints on its grammatical r= ules, and consequently my sense of correctness in English is not that one = of a native speaker (and also the kind of English used in international co= mmunication is somewhat different from the English that is spoken in anglo= saxon countries), but for me it is enough, although my English is awkward.=

The truth is that I have a better linguistic sense of Latin than of Glos= a, in spite of the difficulty of the Latin language. But I can read tons o= f Latin in the web (for example:, and I’m also su= bscribed to a latin speaking mailing list named “Grex Latine Loquentium”. = So here is a clear proof of what I’m saying. Taking into account the easin= ess of Glosa, with just a fraction of the “corpus” needed for acquiring th= e feeling of a natural language people could obtain a good linguistic comp= etence in Glosa.


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