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Re: Glosa 1000
Xavier Abadia ("Xavier Abadia" <xabadiar@...>) on October 9, 2011
Sorry, I meant “Glosa 1000”, not “Glossa 1000”.
— In glosalist@yahoogrou= ps.com, “Xavier Abadia” <xabadiar@…> wrote:
Saluta Ian, mi p= lu reakti post tu plu reakti :
[Ian] Hi Xavi, I agree that it would be= preferable if THERE WERE a systematic way of deriving Glosa words from Lat= in/Greek.
[Xavi] Actually THERE IS a systematic way of deriving words = from Latin/Greek at the original Glosa, inherited from Interglossa in the m= ain. Latin: -a < -a -ae ; -i < -us -i ; -a < -um -i ; -i < -i= s -is ; -io < -io -ionis ; -u < -us =96us. Greek: -a < -a, -es (“= glosa”); -a < -a, -atos (“soma”); -o < -os -ou (“bio”); -a < -on, = -ou (“zoa”). Etc.
[Ian] From what I understand, the authors of Glosa= tried to derive Glosa words from the English cognates rather than directly= from the classical roots.
[Xavi] I don’t think so. Of course there ma= y be exceptions to the systematic rules above, for example to take -us from= -us -i. But anyway, the exceptions remain few, I think.
[Ian] There a= re some notes on Glosa word derivation on the Glosa web site that you might= find interesting: http://www.glosa.org/gid/gwds.htm
[Xavi] The doubts= I have, find no answers in this website. The initial reform by Ron Clark i= s clear to me: an orthographical reform, the suppression of the compulsory = final =96e of verbs and the compulsory final =96o of abstract qualities. = As for the more recent reforms, here is where my confusion comes: what furt= her reforms were made?, by who?, when?, by which method? If I find the answ= ers, so much the better. If not, nevermind… I do believe that an essentia= l lexicon like “Glossa 1000” might be sufficient.
— In gl= email@example.com, Ian Niles <ian_niles@> wrote:
Hi Xavi= , I agree that it would be preferable if there were a systematic way o= f deriving Glosa words from Latin/Greek. From what I understand, the autho= rs of Glosa tried to derive Glosa words from the English cognates rather th= an directly from the classical roots. There are some notes on Glosa word d= erivation on the Glosa web site that you might find interesting: http://ww= w.glosa.org/gid/gwds.htm. -Ian To: firstname.lastname@example.org From:= xabadiar@ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:36:41 +0000 Subject: [glosalist= ] Re: Glosa 1000
I’m not so sure that = the latest variant of a Glosa word works better than the oldest variant. I’= ve seen that the oldest variants of Glosa may be often predicted according = to its etymology, in the same way as the words of Interglossa, because the = morphologic arrangement of Interglossa was mainly preserved: from Latin =96= a =96ae, =96us =96i, =96um =96i, =96is =96is, words were taken with endings= =96a, =96i, =96a, =96i, respectively. Glosa was born as just an orthograph= ical reform of Interglossa, as far as I know.
So, I like the origi= nal words of Glosa not because they are the original and “sacrosanct” varia= nts, but because they seem to me more predictable and simple than the lates= t variants. And this make them more friendly to me.
Once= I’ve said this, I now repeat that I would accept the fact that most author= s of GID have given preference to the latest variants, they might have good= reasons I ignore. I only reject the unfair method of marking an “X” to the= oldest variants as if they were completely obsolete and useless. Perhaps a= fairer method would be to let the oldest variants out of the “Centra Glosa= “ list, while letting them stay at the “Mega Glosa” list with no kind of ne= gative mark.
— In glo= email@example.com, Ian Niles <ian_niles@> wrote:
Hi Xavi, From what I’ve seen, the words marked with an “X= “ are all variants of words that are allowed (at least in mega Glosa). As = I understand it, some variants of essentially the same word were included i= n some Glosa lists, and other variants of the same word were included in ot= her Glosa lists. When the various lists were combined into a single dictio= nary (viz. the GID), obviously one variant had to be selected as the offici= al version of the word and the others had to be deprecated. I think you wo= uld agree that having more than one variant of the same word for many words= in a language that is proposed as an international auxiliary language defe= ats the purpose of having an international auxiliary language. Anoth= er point that should be made, I think, is that there shouldn’t be anything = sacrosanct about the first version of an artificial language. In fact, I t= hink the opposite is true. Artificial languages get tested in practice, ju= st like software and any other engineering aritifact. The parts that work = well are retained. The parts that don’t work well or don’t work at all sho= uld be rejected or modified. As Jespersen pointed out, in the end an inter= national auxiliary language rests solely on science and reason. -Ian
= To: firstname.lastname@example.org
D= ate: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:29:18 +0000
Subject: [glosalist] Re: Glo= sa 1000
= Ave, karo Myalee,
It se= ems obvious to me that no-one should change the original Glosa words in fav= our of substitutes supposedly better. I wonder why they had to substitute “= ami” against “amika”, “apis” against “api”, etc. But my dear friend, they a= ctually CAN do it, they have ALREADY done it, by giving an “X” mark to many= words that “should be avoided”, even to essential words from any “Glosa-10= 00 list”. (GID, page 4). In my opinion, the GID might be re-organized: the = “Glosa Centra” list should be the only place where the X-marked words might= be excluded. And the “Glosa Mega” list should be the integral list with bo= th the original words and the recent and preferred words. No need to mark w= ords that “should be avoided”. The words outside the “Glosa Centra” list wo= uld be avoided “de facto”; the words inside the “Glosa Centra” would be pre= ferred “de facto”.
Finally, = an “English-Glosa Centra” list is in my opinion far more necessary than an = “English-Glosa Mega” list.
S= aluta, Xavi.
— In glosalis= email@example.com, “myaleee n” <myaleee@> wrote:
ave karo Abadia!
1- glosa is very= great and unique
2- but wendy and Ron incomplet= ely made diction.: latin and greek words for each word!!
3- NO-ONE can change x-sign word or other defects!
4- my opinion: use gid(big), nobody will blame you, but in be= ginning
of article tell strange words : bato=3D = deep etc
5- esperanto, ido, lfn , glosa all hav= e defects unchangeable!!!We must tolerate them or leave the language :-( =
6- I made excellent version of glosa> glisa, usi= ng only latin words, removing defects and I gladly welcome suggestions. =
— In firstname.lastname@example.org, “= Xavier Abadia” <xabadiar@> wrote:
Ave, Gary Miller e pan-pe.
Vi= ski; u diktionaria “GID” habe u signi “X” pro plu verba qi “debi gene evit= a” (“should be avoided”, p. 4). Speci: amika, api, asini, et cetera.
Mi amo Interglossa, so mi prefere plu Glosa verba qi= es homo plu Interglosa verba, so: amika, api, asini, vice: ami, apis, asin= us.
Qo-ka plu-ci verba “debi gene evita”? GID = no explika id…
U-ci qestio es speciali dific= ile, ka plu verba freqe habe u signi “1” e u signi “X” iso-tem! (Plu verba = ko signi “1” apare in uno ex oligo Glosa-1000-lista).
Qo-pe pa decide; plu-ci verba debi gene evita? Qo-ka? Qe Ronald Cla= rk e Wendy Ashby pa akorda?
Mi es ge-konfusi d= e GID.
Saluta, X= avi.
— In glos= email@example.com, Gary Miller <gmillernd@> wrote:
Plu verba ko mikro numera 1 in GID pa = es origi “Glosa 1000.” Plu
Glosa krea-pe, c= efa nu Wendy Ashby, du face ma sistema u-ci verba-fa;
seqe-co nu es u neo nomina “Centra Glosa” e u sema ++. U turba p= a es;
Glosa 1000 pa faktu habe ma poli de 10= 00 verba, cefa kausa plu itera
de Latino e H= elena verba in id; anti-co id veri nece u ma boni
= sistema. “Centra Glosa” nu habe proxi 1300 verba– faktu, u ma mikro=
qantita de origi Glosa 1000. (Un homi-face= lingua Lojban plus habe
proxi 1300 verba.)
U bibli 18 G= RADU AD EURO-GLOSA dice; “Na itera nece sti importa; Glosa
1000 facili pote ergo de ali speci de tema, klude plu forti = tekno
tema, posi ko no-freqe uti de Mega Glo= sa.” Mi pa detekti sura veri
u-ci frase, te= m uti Centra Glosa.
Plus mi pa gene hedo de tu pedi-bola kanta. Anti-co in Nord Dakota= na
universita sporta grega es “plu Bisona.”=
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